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To Lightner or not to Lightner? BBF vs. JEC #7 board 6

#1 User is offline   mgoetze 

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Posted 2012-April-23, 06:33


Opponents have a somewhat dubios auction to 6NT. Pass or double?
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Posted 2012-April-23, 07:00

For me, no double. Partly because my diamonds aren't super great, and partly because partner's probable natural spade lead looks ok.

Then again, I don't play at Cayne level.
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Posted 2012-April-23, 07:04

View Postbillw55, on 2012-April-23, 07:00, said:

Then again, I don't play at Cayne level.

Neither do I. ;)
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Posted 2012-April-23, 07:54

Of course, we aren't at the Cayne level; but, maybe we can beat Cayne on this one.

If the bidding is as it sounds, my righty was originally slamming for diamonds. Then he found out opener doesn't have even two diamonds, so he Wooded for clubs. Since we are not defending clubs, we would like to set up a cashable diamond right now.

Double is only wrong if they have eleven running tricks outside the diamond suit before we get in. If they need to set up a trick, they go down.
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Posted 2012-April-23, 08:34

Of course I know the hands so that makes it harder to have an open mind, but I think you have to double on hands like this, simply for the fact that you'll beat the slam more often by a decent amount. The IMP odds favor beating slams. On the hands where the double doesn't matter you lose more than you gain, although here you can reasonably expect to beat them a fair number of times since everything seems badly placed.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2012-April-23, 08:51

View Postaguahombre, on 2012-April-23, 07:54, said:

Double is only wrong if they have eleven running tricks outside the diamond suit before we get in. If they need to set up a trick, they go down.

True but, if anyone is taking that set-up trick it is partner. At which point he might not have a diamond to lead. As a corollary, why are you so sure that opener lacks even two diamonds?

Maybe I worry too much.
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Posted 2012-April-23, 09:08

View Postbillw55, on 2012-April-23, 08:51, said:

As a corollary, why are you so sure that opener lacks even two diamonds?

The guy with the diamonds bid 4SF, then rebid diamonds; that means he wants to strongly suggest diamonds as trump. The other guy said no. Conclusion would be: either he is a hand hog, or he doesn't have more than one diamond. I am guessing he doesn't have more than one diamond.
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Posted 2012-April-23, 09:18

I don't think declarer will have a doubleton diamond. It sounds like he is 4-6 in the rounded suits and with 1-4-2-6 he wouldn't bid 3NT.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2012-April-25, 02:42

The answer to the title is always yes unless you think it will make partner less likely to make the right lead.

edit: Now that I have looked at the hand, my answer is unsurprisingly yes.
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Posted 2012-April-25, 05:17



mgoetze asks "Opponents have a somewhat dubios auction to 6NT. Pass or double?



IMO Double = 10. Pass = 6

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Posted 2012-April-25, 16:16

double the serbians on an uncontested slam? why would I ditch points for free?
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