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#1 User is offline   nige1 

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Posted 2019-April-29, 02:39


The bidding, play, and defence are interesting.
What do you think of the bidding?
Against your 4,
LHO leads A, 4, 6, 3 (UDCA).
and continues T, 7, 5, K
I don't know what's the best single-dummy line
Suppose that you cash A, 3, 2, RHO discarding 8.
You cross to dummy 4, 7, A, 2.
Do you play Q?
Do you finesse s?

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Posted 2019-April-29, 05:18

I see no real benefit to cashing the club Q right now. My guesstimate on the hand places rho with heart A (maybe K) (If lho has the heart ace and did not try to cash it I would hold my hand closer to my chest) and lho with a pretty fair number of clubs due to rho lackluster club 6 as a negative signal. I am guessing lho is similar to 4315. I would hook the diamond.
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Posted 2019-April-30, 10:29

My bidding is inconsistent. I think I should rebid 3.
Against 4, LHO leads A, 4, 6, 3 (UDCA).
and continues T, 7, 5. K
I don't know what's the best single-dummy line.
I cashed A, 3, 2, RHO discarding 8.
Then crossed to dummy 4, 7, A, 2.
Like Gszes, I saw no advantage in playing Q.
I led a to K -- which succeeds unless s are 5-1.
The full deal is on the left. LHO ruffed the 2nd round of , and exited with Q, defeating me by one trick.
One declarer played in 4X-1 which saved me from a bottom.
All others were successful. Presumably, they took the same inspired view as Gszes -- finessing -- perhaps helped by other opponents' bids or doubles.
Careless talk costs lives :(

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Posted 2019-April-30, 10:58


Against 4, LHO leads A, 4, 6, 3 (UDCA).
and continues T, 7, 5. K

For completeness: Gib reveals...

At trick 3, rather than cashing a round of trumps, you can succeed with A, Q and then K.

Instead, suppose that you play AK without touching trumps.
LHO ruffs and must lead a to defeat the contract.
(Then he can discard a on your next lead).

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Posted 2019-April-30, 11:26

I had formulated a plan before reading the results, and my initial assessment was to play it as a crossruff. If you are planning to do that, you want to cash all your winners before embarking on that tack. That means cashing the Q.
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Posted 2019-April-30, 12:16

View PostHardVector, on 2019-April-30, 11:26, said:

I had formulated a plan before reading the results, and my initial assessment was to play it as a crossruff. If you are planning to do that, you want to cash all your winners before embarking on that tack. That means cashing the Q.

I had the same thought: try for a cross-ruff, but the problem with 'cashing' the club is that LHO may well be 4=5=2=2 and now he pitches his diamond. Now he ruffs the second diamond and exits a spade honour and we are down.

So if I were going to try to cash a club, I would cash the top diamonds first. Of course, that also leads to a set as it happens. Having seen the result before analyzing the play in detail (for which I have my own mea culpa) I can no longer pretend to be able to analyze objectively as to what I would have done at the table. But, I would definitely not have played a 3rd club before the top diamonds.
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Posted 2019-May-07, 13:53

View Postnige1, on 2019-April-30, 10:58, said:


Against 4, LHO leads A, 4, 6, 3 (UDCA).
and continues T, 7, 5. K

View PostHardVector, on 2019-April-30, 11:26, said:

I had formulated a plan before reading the results, and my initial assessment was to play it as a cross-ruff. If you are planning to do that, you want to cash all your winners before embarking on that tack. That means cashing the Q.
Hardvector's cross-ruff seems to work.

View Postmikeh, on 2019-April-30, 12:16, said:

I had the same thought: try for a cross-ruff, but the problem with 'cashing' the club is that LHO may well be 4=5=2=2 and now he pitches his diamond. Now he ruffs the second diamond and exits a spade honour and we are down. So if I were going to try to cash a club, I would cash the top diamonds first. Of course, that also leads to a set as it happens. Having seen the result before analyzing the play in detail (for which I have my own mea culpa) I can no longer pretend to be able to analyze objectively as to what I would have done at the table. But, I would definitely not have played a 3rd club before the top diamonds.

If you adopt Hardvector's line and play for a cross-ruff without touching trumps, then you can succeed even if LHO is 5422 and discards a on dummy's Q.

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