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#1 User is offline   pescetom 

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Posted 2019-May-07, 07:36

MP Tournament, all vulnerable.



As South, what is your call and (if not pass) how would your partner explain it if asked?
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Posted 2019-May-07, 08:24

I'm passing. I don't relish bidding at the 4 level with a relatively flat 7 loser hand vulnerable.

The two remaining hands remain unknown. If LHO opponent has the bulk of the points bidding can turn into a death wish. If partner has the values and reopens, then this hand looks a lot better. Also, it might just happen that partner finds a 3 NT bid and this hand looks like a pretty good dummy opposite that bid. If you bid 4 now, you preclude playing in 3 NT which might be the best contract.

If it goes pass-pass and 3 makes --c'est la vie -- preempts work.
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Posted 2019-May-07, 08:28

I wouldn't even think about 4C non-vulnerable, let alone vulnerable. It's pass, pass, pass, pass, pass, pass all the way.
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Posted 2019-May-07, 08:48

PASS and WTP?
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Posted 2019-May-07, 09:19

About the 4 option — doesn’t everyone play this as non-leaping Michaels?
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Posted 2019-May-07, 10:10

View PostVampyr, on 2019-May-07, 09:19, said:

About the 4 option — doesn’t everyone play this as non-leaping Michaels?

I don't think non-leaping Michaels is a universal agreement. I don't play it in any of my partnerships, certainly.
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Posted 2019-May-07, 10:38

So as South we all pass, including those who do not play (Non) Leaping Michaels.

Here is the full diagram:



What is our call now as North?

(I tried to poll for this but can't do it any more for some reason, no matter).
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Posted 2019-May-07, 11:39

In PO seat I'll try 3NT.
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Posted 2019-May-07, 12:29

View Postpescetom, on 2019-May-07, 10:38, said:

So as South we all pass, including those who do not play (Non) Leaping Michaels.

Here is the full diagram:



What is our call now as North?

(I tried to poll for this but can't do it any more for some reason, no matter).


You bid 3 NT same as you would if you were sitting South with this hand. If partner pulls it, you sit. Otherwise, you hope you can find 9 tricks. On this hand, you thank partner profusely for the lovely dummy. The good thing is that you can hold up in 'til the third round so that if East has a normal 7 card preempt, a second entry to the preempting hand will be necessary to run it.
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Posted 2019-May-07, 13:19

can anyone explain what this bidding forum post is about? you pass as south and north bids 3n. period,
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Posted 2019-May-08, 06:20

View PostLBengtsson, on 2019-May-07, 13:19, said:

can anyone explain what this bidding forum post is about? you pass as south and north bids 3n. period,


Well that's how we would have bid it too, but evidently not everyone, or maybe they didn't receive a 3 opening.
We were EW and were happy but bemused to make 3-1.
That was a fluke of course, the majority of tables were in 3NT+2 but a good number were in .
I was just trying to figure out if anyone had agreements that would lead to a contract other than 3NT here.
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